Helmingius Legatt1,2
M, b. circa 1376, d. circa 1412
Helmingius Legatt was the son of Helmingus Legatt Esquire and Margery Malawyn. In 1397, Helming received his ineritance from his
parents. Which included the Mocking properties. Since his father died in 1391, this probably meant he had come of age or it was at the time of his marriage. He was a knight.3,4 Helmingius married Lady Alicia de Mandeville, daughter of Sir Thomas de Mandeville and Anne Drokensford, before 1400 in Havering. After his marriage to Alice de Mandeville, Helming was in possession of all the manors and properties under the Mandeville title, but upon his death they were then again in the possession of his widow Alice. Eventually the Mandeville estates were inherited by Clement Spice, Alice’s son by her third marriage. The London properties that came to Helming from his first marriage remained in his possession and was inherited by his offspring.5 Helmingius departed this life circa 1412 in Havering.
parents. Which included the Mocking properties. Since his father died in 1391, this probably meant he had come of age or it was at the time of his marriage. He was a knight.3,4 Helmingius married Lady Alicia de Mandeville, daughter of Sir Thomas de Mandeville and Anne Drokensford, before 1400 in Havering. After his marriage to Alice de Mandeville, Helming was in possession of all the manors and properties under the Mandeville title, but upon his death they were then again in the possession of his widow Alice. Eventually the Mandeville estates were inherited by Clement Spice, Alice’s son by her third marriage. The London properties that came to Helming from his first marriage remained in his possession and was inherited by his offspring.5 Helmingius departed this life circa 1412 in Havering.
Child of Helmingius Legatt and Lady Alicia de Mandeville
- Thomas Legatt+ b. 1404, d. b 1432
Citations
- [S506] Note: Seised [or seised of land] means being in legal possession or ownership of real property. Traditionally under English common law, to be "seised" was to hold land in "fee" [ownership] or have physical control, but to have recognized legal title.
- [S763] Harleian Society, Harliean MS, 1398, pages 592 - Helmingus Legat ar. Vice comes Essexiae t’pe R. 2 Qui sub Henrico quatro moriens reliquit filium suum in custodia. [Note - Sometimes generations are skipped and two generations of the same name [father & son]. Here only one generation of Helmingus is given, where there sould be two. These trees were compiled years after these people were alive - someone would visit the manors and copy the information they had on their family. They are not perfect. - KLM]
- [S773] G A J Hodgett, The Cartulary of Holy Trinity, Aldgate: London Record Society 7, Pages 218-220 - Parishes: St Dunstan in the East (second part)' Grant by Stephen prior and convent to Hugh (de) Polestede of land next the Thames which William the priest (presbiter) held of them for William sold the fee, without their assent, to Hugh, for 19 marks; 2s. given to the prior for recognition (de recognicione) and a London sextary of wine to the convent; swore fealty; rent 2s. p.a.; to hold as long as the rent is paid; witnesses, Roger de Ginges, brothers Henry and Robert.
- [S774] Daniel Lysons, The Environs of London, Volume 3: Page 517-557, Tottenham - The manor of Mockings I suppose to have been that third part of the manor of Bruses (called Breuse-hagh) which was granted to Richard Spigurnell (fn. 53) , and sold by him to John Mocking, who died seised of it in 1347 (fn. 54) . His wife, Nichola, died seised of it the next year (fn. 55) . This Nichola had also at the time of her death the manor of Pembrokes, escheated to the crown by the death of Lawrence de Hastings. So says the record at least; yet it is certain that Lawrence de Hastings left a son who had the manor of Pembrokes, and that it continued some time longer in that family, as appears by the records before quoted. John Mocking, junior, died seised of the estate above mentioned, in the year 1360 (fn. 56) . Elmingus Leget died seised of the manor of Mockings (valued at six marks), in 1412 (fn. 57) ; leaving his son Thomas, eight years of age, his heir (fn. 58) . His widow, Alice, died seised of it in 1420 (fn. 59) . Soon afterwards it came to the Gedeneys, in whom the other manors were centered.
- [S763] Harleian Society, Harliean MS, 1398, Helmingus Legat ar. vice comes Essexiae t'pe R. 2 qui sub Herico quarto moriens reliquiet filium suum in custodia. Married Alicia Mandeville [Henry IV 1401].